You can’t think your way out of a thought loop. You have to show your body it’s safe to let go.

I get stuck in thought loops. For years, rumination served me as an entrepreneur because I never missed a detail, but it also exhausted me, and it exhausted the people around me. A mutual friend introduced me to tapping years ago, and it changed how fast I can shift my state. I’ve wanted Nick Ortner on this show for a couple of years, because he is the best in the world at teaching it.

Nick first saw tapping at a Tony Robbins leadership conference and spent the next few years tapping with friends and family for free. In 2007 he put $40,000 of camera equipment on credit cards to film a documentary about it. He has spent the last two decades, building, The Tapping Solution, whose app has now reached 18 million sessions, tackling the thing most of us fight daily: overthinking.

I came into this conversation asking the hard hitters. I asked Nick whether tapping is just a pattern interrupt or a real change in your biology. I pressed him on the sympathetic and parasympathetic states and the vagus nerve. I shared how my own rumination wore me down, and I told him how I turn to his work with the professional athletes I work with when visualization and breathing stop being enough.

Then I tapped along with Nick myself and felt my focus come back.

We also run a live session with Thomas, a friend of mine and a nine-figure entrepreneur working 16 and 17 hour days, and you will watch his number move in real time. Near the end, Nick walks you through your own five-minute session, so you'll get to try it firsthand.

Here’s what you’ll gain from this episode:

• The safety signal: What tapping actually does in your brain and body while you hold a stressful thought.
• A quarter of an inch matters: Why the location is everything, and why this is far more than a pattern interrupt.
• Why pushing harder backfires: What rumination does to your thinking, and why your best ideas show up in the shower.
• The 0 to 10 number: The simple scale that tells you whether it is working.
• The breaking point: What Nick did when he was broke, frozen, and ready to quit.
• Your own session: A guided round you can run today, wherever you are.

Press play, and the next time you feel like giving up, stop. Tap the side of your hand, say what is true, and give your body five minutes to catch up with your mind.

I know you are going to enjoy this one. Don't miss it!